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Poster: Arensky Date: May 23, 2007 3:31am
Forum: stock_footage Subject: I Think I Was Wrong

When I uploaded the "historic" clips and the few movie excerpts, I was apparently working under the delusion that these were items that would prove useful to folks looking for such excerpts. Apparently I was right in one way because of the number of hits I've been getting. But on the other hand, I forgot those who needed more information, and especially a particular "purist" who believed that I was dismembering relics and that YouTube was the proper place for my kind of "edits." (As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!

I think instead of posting historic clips, I will publish the various URLs where historic footage can be found, or film is especial interest in the Internet Archive, right here in this forum. I would urge others to do the same. If you can't upload clips yourself, this is a way you can help filmmakers to find useful clips.

I am sorry if I offended anyone with my "historic" postings.

Ed

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Poster: Arensky Date: May 24, 2007 5:31am
Forum: stock_footage Subject: Re: I Think I Was Wrong

Ed, as they say, is good to go.

Being partially disabled, it's difficult for me to get off this mountaintop, Ivan, but I'll try to make new stock clips as best I can.

As for historic feature clips, I think everyone has an opinion on that. But let's face it, if everyone treated movies as artifacts, we would have no film documentaries, previews, obits on passing personalities, etc. And what a loss that would be. I have no difficulty in picking a scene from "Dr. Caligary" or "Nosferatu" as an example of German Expressionism.

I agree, Eva, that the keyword list needs work, but we are the ones that must do that. If I'm not mistaken, keywords are added automatically from our Meta. Therefore, what we place in the key word box is what we get. The biggest problem I see right now is spelling, and I'm afraid I'm the biggest offender of all, right now. Other problem is forgetting to place a semi-colon instead of a coma between words to separate them. You can go back at any time and add a keyword that you might have forgotten and it will be posted. Or you can suggest a keyword to Ivan or me for one of our posts and we can make the correction. You idea of making classifications according to era is also excellent and I'm going to adopt that immediately. Also notice the way I'm listing people in key word -- last name first, then middle name, then dates. If you are looking for stock of a particular person, this should make it easier.

The last time I looked there were 7,070 public domain films on the Archive, which is both exciting and intimidating. I mean, where do you start looking for a particular clip? Most of the time it's not the SUBJECT of the film you are really looking for, but the CONTENT. That is why I think posting historic clips is necessary. No editor wants to interrupted the flow of his edit and go on a two-day search for the right insert.

At any rate, that's some -- but not all -- of the stuff I've been thinking about. But thanks to all for your compliments and advice. Now, if you'll pardon me, I'm going to shut up and get to work.

Ed

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Poster: cybermarinor Date: Sep 26, 2007 2:41pm
Forum: stock_footage Subject: Re: I Think I Was Wrong

At any given time, we are at different levels with different needs. While I have been playing with Vegas 5 for more than three years, my JVC GHD-1 still has the popcorn on it from the box it was packed in. My skill level is more suited to color correcting dissected clips of public domain material from Rick's collection than providing yet another out of focus, badly lit shot of a duck. As Ivan might say, there than is the challenge. Step up and produce original content yopu can be proud of.
Oh well there is room for us all. Thank you Ivan, C.E. Price and Eva. What you do improve this life for us all. I am not a website builder but I have tried to begin one. www.cybermarinor.com Anything, anyone contributes to the open source culture is honorable.
Cy

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Poster: ARossi Date: May 23, 2007 12:44pm
Forum: stock_footage Subject: Re: I Think I Was Wrong

Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with making historic clips available in the stock footage section as long as they're public domain and the content is well described.

If there's a good scream, or footage of a plane taking off, or a presidential speech or something that seems like it might be helpful in putting together a movie, this is where it belongs, right?

We've got lots of PD stuff in the Prelinger collection, for example, and people use clips from it all the time to create new movies. But it's hard to find exactly the clip you're looking for because we don't have detailed shot lists for things.

I don't know whether the larger solution is to cut movies up into well described pieces as separate items, or to create really detailed shotlists for the whole movies... I guess that's debatable. Seems like it would be easier to just download what you need, but then would you cut a clip from the whole at the same place as someone else?

I don't know? What do you guys think?

Alexis

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Poster: Bridgewater Video Date: May 23, 2007 2:27pm
Forum: stock_footage Subject: Re: I Think I Was Wrong

I see no problem with the archived historic footage being edited and reposted as Stock Footage. I was a little confused at first where the clips were coming from. As an editor, I think that if I wanted to use the opening scene from "The Vampire Bat" in a video, then I would rather download the 57 MB version Mr. Price has set up then downloading the entire 1.5 Gig original movie and then just using the first minute of it and deleting the rest. I would say that I would rather see Mr. Price post new, current materials (His new clips are better than most I have paid money for over the years). My thought is, if Mr. Price donates his time and materials, I for one am grateful for anything he does. I suspect it took several hours to download, edit and repost the opening to "The Vampire Bat". I did like the suggestion of links as an alternative. Using Keywords may help too. Perhaps a Keyword or phrase such as "Re-edited Archive Clip" so that Archive users know at a glance that the original full version is elsewhere in the Archive. I think Keywords are going to be even more vital in the Stock Footage part of the Archive then most. If there are 50,000 small one minute clips here, then Keywords are going to be the only way to find anything. I suspect the whole thing will naturally evolve as we go on. I would like to say thank you to the Archive staff for expressing an opinion in this. I would guess Mr. Price can now decide for himself how best to donate his time and skills.........

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Poster: cybermarinor Date: Sep 26, 2007 2:54pm
Forum: stock_footage Subject: Re: I Think I Was Wrong

At any given time, we are at different levels with different needs. While I have been playing with Vegas 5 for more than three years, my JVC GHD-1 still has the popcorn on it from the box it was packed in. My skill level is more suited to color correcting dissected clips of public domain material from Rick's collection than providing yet another out of focus, badly lit shot of a duck. As Ivan might say, there than is the challenge. Step up and produce original content you can be proud of.
Oh well there is room for us all. Thank you Ivan, C.E. Price and Eva. What you do improves this life for us all.
I am not a website builder but I have tried to begin one. www.cybermarinor.com which is intented to foster a community.
Anything, anyone contributes to the open source culture is honorable. Please encourage all of us to participate.
Thanks again
Cy (Richard Smith budgetproductions.com)